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12 months ago

Happy Memorial Day,Has the Army decided to screw its soldiers in a reversal to ban PMAGS (Polymer High Performance Magazines for their M4 Carbines?

Has the Army decided to favor selective lobbying of an inferior choice of magazines for its Army?
Have lobbyists influenced the neglect of the safety of our military?
Shall we as taxpayers dispose of our stock-pile of superior PMAGS already paid with our tax dollars to revert back to an inferior choice of magazines since the ban is in effect?
What does the average soldier consider of the superior efficiency of PMAGS to outperform aluminum jacket magazines?
Review the article and ponder how are we honoring our soldiers to protect the interests of our foreign policy decisions when we choose to enter war?
If PMAGS are improved,more efficient,can be driven over by vehicles and still function,why the alterations to ban them?
Budget cuts to assist the national budget only merely whitewash painted onto the faces of our military soldiers whom may wish they possessed PMAGS in a firefight?
When Military.com website requested clarification to this reversal,nobody wants to provide an answer.WHY?
Are decisions not accountable to become answered when the lives of our loved ones become placed into jeopardy?
Don't get me wrong, i personally do not admire warfare but within our nation, decisions based upon ignorance appear to become the norm,look how mothers and fathers were buying body armor for soldiers sent to Iraq cause nobody cared enough to protect them but their parents?
If price is the issue of concern, merely cut back shooting off 1/2 million dollar Tomahawk missiles in places like Libya where we shot off atleast 120 of them costing atleast 60 million dollars.
This nation possesses one of the worst foreign policy agendas where war decisions parley better than dialogue,then atleast count the number of soldiers whom PMAGS may assist their lives instead of throwing them under the bus on Memorial Day?

In Reversal, Army Bans High-Performance Rifle Mags
May 25, 2012
Military.com| by Matthew Cox

The Army has ordered that soldiers may use only government-issued magazines with their M4 carbines, a move that effectively bans one of the most dependable and widely used commercial-made magazines on today’s battlefield.
The past decade of war has spawned a wave of innovation in the commercial soldier weapons and equipment market. As a result, trigger-pullers in the Army, Marines and various service special operations communities now go to war armed with commercially designed kit that’s been tested under the most extreme combat conditions.
Near the top of such advancements is the PMAG polymer M4 magazine, introduced by Magpul Industries Corp. in 2007. Its rugged design has made it as one of the top performers in the small-arms accessory arena, according to combat veterans who credit the PMAG with drastically improving the reliability of the M4.
Despite the success of the PMAG, Army officials from the TACOM Life Cycle Management Command issued a “safety of use message” in April that placed it, and all other polymer magazines, on an unauthorized list.
The message did not single out PMAGs, but instead authorizes only the use of Army-issued aluminum magazines. The message offers little explanation for the new policy except to state that “Units are only authorized to use the Army-authorized magazines listed in the technical manuals.” Nor does it say what Army units should now do with the millions of dollars’ worth of PMAGs they’ve purchased over the years.
Magpul officials have been reluctant to comment on the issue. Robert Vidrine, vice president of marketing and sales, said the company found out about TACOM’s message only after it was released to the field.
The decision has left combat troops puzzled, since the PMAG has an Army-approved national stock number, which allows units to order them through the Army supply system.
“This just follows a long line of the Army, and military in general, not listening to the troops about equipment and weaponry,” said one Army infantryman serving in Southwest Afghanistan, who asked not to be identified.
“The PMAG is a great product … lightweight and durable. I have seen numerous special ops teams from all services pass through here, and they all use PMAGs. Also, a large amount of Marine infantry here use PMAGS, including their Force Recon elements.”
TACOM officials said the message was issued because of “numerous reports that Army units are using unauthorized magazines,” TACOM spokesman Eric Emerton said in a written response to questions from Military.com. Emerton added that only “authorized NSNs have ever been included in the technical manuals. Just because an item has an NSN, does not mean the Army is an authorized user.”
This seems to be a complete policy reversal, since PMAGs are standard issue with the Army’s 75th Ranger Regiment and they have been routinely issued to infantry units before war-zone deployments.

Soldiers from B Troop, 3rd Squadron, 61st Cavalry Regiment, had been issued PMAGs before deploying to Afghanistan in 2009. On Oct. 3 of that year, they fought off a bold enemy attack on Combat Outpost Keating that lasted for more than six hours and left eight Americans dead. Some soldiers fired up to 40 PMAGs from their M4s without a single stoppage.
Militay.com asked TACOM officials if the Army had discovered any problems with PMAGs that would warrant the ban on their use. TACOM officials would not answer the question and instead passed it off to Program Executive Office Soldier on Thursday evening before the four-day Memorial Day weekend.
TACOM’s message authorizes soldiers to use the Army’s improved magazine, which PEO Soldier developed after the M4 finished last against three other carbines in a 2007 reliability test. The “dust test” revealed that 27 percent of the M4’s stoppages were magazine related.
The improved magazine uses a redesigned “follower,” the part that sits on the magazine’s internal spring and feeds the rounds into the M4’s upper receiver. The new tan-colored follower features an extended rear leg and modified bullet protrusion for improved round stacking and orientation. The self-leveling/anti-tilt follower reduces the risk of magazine-related stoppages by more than 50 percent compared to the older magazine variants, PEO Soldier officials maintain. Soldiers are also authorized to use Army magazines with the older, green follower until they are all replaced, the message states.
Military.com asked the Army if the improved magazine can outperform the PMAG, but a response wasn’t received by press time.
The same infantryman serving in Southwest Afghanistan had this to say about the new and improved magazine:
“Like any magazine, they work great when they are brand new and haven’t been drug through the dirt and mud. I haven’t noticed much of a difference between these tan followers and the older green ones. After some time training up for the 'Stan, the same issues started to occur: double feeds, rounds not feeding correctly so on and so on. While it seems to occur about half as often, it’s still not a great solution.
“The magazines still get bent at the opening and are still prone to getting crushed in the middle. I haven’t seen any issues like this with the PMAG due to the polymer casing. I have seen an empty PMAG get run over by a MaxPro [vehicle] and operated flawlessly later that week when we tested it at the range. Last time I saw this happen to a standard issue magazine, it was scrap metal after that.”

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/05/25/in-reversal-army-bans-high-performance-rifle-mags.html?ESRC=dod.nl
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bradval

  11 months ago
I don't have an opinion at this time. Reply
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Drago11

  11 months ago
I have only used Alumimum magazines as far as I know. I bet these new ones are cheaper to make too. Youe example is right on. We sent those kids to Iraq without making sure they were well equipt.. I personallty helped raise money for those familys you mentioned who sent armor/ additional reinforcement. They will go back to the aluminum magizines eventually once enough soldiers die or have guns that jam up. Thats the good ole pentagon & congress for you....good grief! Reply
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2rallan

  11 months ago
And they will then wonder why we lost. When wars are run by Congress and not Generals, there is always the potential for loss -- just look at Korea and Viet Nam, not to mention Iraq and Afghanistan. Reply
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emilygirl6

  12 months ago
Well said, stop placing our soldiers under the bus cause the military itself can not cut out the contract company that developed PMags.
When sh&t were to hit the fan, you surely do not want to have the lower efficiency option among your arsenal too.
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ck_enizete

  12 months ago
http://kitup.military.com/2012/05/army-stands-ban-unathorized-pmags.html
Ok so I have spent the last week trying to find out why Army officials at TACOM would ban soldiers from using PMAGs in the warzone. I posted a story that explores the issue this morning on Military.com, but I don’t think this issue is over yet.
I’m not surprised that the Army wants everyone to use its Improved Magazine with the tan follower that’s supposed to cut down on stoppages in the M4. You have to give Army weapons officials credit for finally recognizing in late 2007 that the magazines with the green follower were poorly designed.
It was the way the Army went about improving the magazine that seemed a little questionable. Weapons officials quickly recognized that Magpul Industries Corp. was onto something with its new PMAG. But instead of testing Magpul’s polymer design, the Army tried unsuccessfully to develop its own polymer magazine, my sources tell me.
The Army didn’t want to adopt the PMAG because acquisition officials wanted to own the technical data rights, a condition Magpul wasn’t likely to agree to, sources say.
So the Army settled on improving the follower — which has a strong resemblance to Magpul’s original design. When fielding began in 2009, Army weapons officials maintained that the new design would decrease stoppages by 50 percent, but they would never really discuss the testing process. It’s also unclear how the new mags compared to the PMAG’s performance. That didn’t really matter, because units were free to continue using PMAGs which had an Army-approved national stock number.
That all changed, however, in April when TACOM released its Safety of Use message that authorized only two NSNs for use with the M4 — the improved magazine with the tan follower and the older magazine with the green follower.
Apparently, the NSN issued for the PMAG was never really authorized, TACOM spokesman Eric Emerton said in a written response to questions from Military.com.
“Units are only authorized to use the Army-authorized magazines listed in the technical manuals,” he said. Emerton added that only “authorized NSNs have ever been included in the technical manuals. Just because an item has an NSN, does not mean the Army is an authorized user.”
Huh???? That must be why PMAGs are standard issue to special operations units such as the 75th Ranger Regiment — those boys are clearly confused.
I have asked the Army if it has any proof that the service’s new magazine can outperform or even equal the PMAG’s performance, but I am still waiting for an answer.
What is really strange about this is that Magpul officials said they don’t want to talk about the issue. It could be that the company is hoping the Army will reverse its decision. Or maybe there’s something behind the Army’s abrupt decision to ban all polymer magazines that hasn’t yet surfaced.
Read more: http://kitup.military.com/2012/05/army-stands-ban-unathorized-pmags.html#ixzz1w73fN7LL
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